Is there really such a thing as "free-will"?

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on February 2, 2010 at 4:45pm

Alvin Beltran said:

Candy,
I didn’t mean that ang mga namatay sa Haiti ay inaabuso nila ang sarili. There are things that are will of men, will of evil and will of God. May pagkakataong nililiglig ng Diyos ang lupa sa kaniyang pagkagalit kung kaya’t ang mga haligi nito ay nangayayanig.

If it happened, God knows what is the best for them and He has the right to claim our lives. May mga kinukuha na dahil maaaring magdanas pa sila ng matinding paghihirap or kinukuha na sila dahil ayaw ng Panginoon na sila’y mapasama pa or kinakailangan upang ipaalaala sa mga buhay ang mga maaaring mangyari pa upang maging handa tayo sa susunod na mga araw. We do not know the reasons but be sure God knows all of it as He gives the best for us.

The UN workers died with a noble cause. God prepare their room in His kingdom.
We should not blame if it happened to them. As I said, God has the best for them and only those who believe knew.

Do you know the story of Job in the bible? He believes that God will not leave Him. Inspite of the long-suffering given by evil Satan to Job in order to leave God (take note that it was Satan), Job still believe in His God and has rewarded a thousand fold.

Alvin does this mean that you agree that there is no free will?

BTW, if I recall the story of Job; God bet Satan that whatever sufferings he meted out to Job, he would remain faithful.

So both God and Satan tortured and visited countless tribulations on the poor man whose only fault was being overzealous in his worship of God. Is that a way to reward loyalty?

Kung gusto ni God at Satan na magpataasan ng ihi wag na lang nila idamay ang pobreng mga inosente.

We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. – Gene Roddenberry

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Permalink Reply by Alvin Beltran on February 4, 2010 at 4:52pm

No, I don’t agree. Man has freewill.

Just to correct you. It was only Satan who gave Job those sufferings, not God.

God does not create faulty humans as He created man in His own image so why would it become faulty.

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on February 4, 2010 at 5:34pm

Alvin,
You said: There are things that are will of men, will of evil and will of God. That is free-will?
Also: Just to correct you. It was only Satan who gave Job those sufferings, not God

Yes, but God gave Satan permission to make life difficult for Job.
1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

God could have just told Satan: " Keep your dirty hands off Job and his family , they are my followers and no one can harm them"
Bakit nagpabuyo si God kay Satan? Akala ko ba all-knowing siya?

You further said: "God does not create faulty humans as He created man in His own image so why would it become faulty."

So how do you explain Hitler, GMA and Ampatuan?


Alvin Beltran said:

No, I don’t agree. Man has freewill.
Just to correct you. It was only Satan who gave Job those sufferings, not God. God does not create faulty humans as He created man in His own image so why would it become faulty.

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Permalink Reply by A.J. The Canadian Guy on February 9, 2010 at 2:56am

Free Will? I didn't know Will was in jail!! *dun dun tssss*

Okay, bad jokes asside.

Granted, we do have an obligation to make choices, but there is free will within that. Yes, you don't have a choice but to make a choice but you do have free will in which choice you make.

But some things we have no power in what happens to us. If you get struck by lightning, you didn't exactly choose that. It's just a freak thing that happens.

But within many things where you don't have free will, you may have free will within the things where you don't have free will. I hope that makes sense.

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on February 9, 2010 at 6:43am

A.J. The Canadian Guy said:

Free Will? I didn't know Will was in jail!! *dun dun tssss*

Okay, bad jokes asside.

Granted, we do have an obligation to make choices, but there is free will within that. Yes, you don't have a choice but to make a choice but you do have free will in which choice you make.

But some things we have no power in what happens to us. If you get struck by lightning, you didn't exactly choose that. It's just a freak thing that happens.

But within many things where you don't have free will, you may have free will within the things where you don't have free will. I hope that makes sense.

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Permalink Reply by A.J. The Canadian Guy on February 9, 2010 at 10:06am

I didn't think that would make sense...it sounded better in my head, believe me lol.

Candy Diazes said:

A.J. The Canadian Guy said:

Free Will? I didn't know Will was in jail!! *dun dun tssss*

Okay, bad jokes asside.

Granted, we do have an obligation to make choices, but there is free will within that. Yes, you don't have a choice but to make a choice but you do have free will in which choice you make.

But some things we have no power in what happens to us. If you get struck by lightning, you didn't exactly choose that. It's just a freak thing that happens.

But within many things where you don't have free will, you may have free will within the things where you don't have free will. I hope that makes sense.

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Permalink Reply by A.J. The Canadian Guy on February 9, 2010 at 10:10am

Okay, first of all that picture cracks me up!!
Second of all, this is proof I should probably wait until I have my coffee before attempting to engage in intellectual discussions! I read what I wrote and I don't even get it! that's pretty bad...

Candy Diazes said:

A.J. The Canadian Guy said:

Free Will? I didn't know Will was in jail!! *dun dun tssss*

Okay, bad jokes asside.

Granted, we do have an obligation to make choices, but there is free will within that. Yes, you don't have a choice but to make a choice but you do have free will in which choice you make.

But some things we have no power in what happens to us. If you get struck by lightning, you didn't exactly choose that. It's just a freak thing that happens.

But within many things where you don't have free will, you may have free will within the things where you don't have free will. I hope that makes sense.

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Permalink Reply by JESELLE DAYRIT on February 11, 2010 at 12:08am

A.J. The Canadian Guy said:

Okay, first of all that picture cracks me up!!
Second of all, this is proof I should probably wait until I have my coffee before attempting to engage in intellectual discussions! I read what I wrote and I don't even get it! that's pretty bad...

I got confused reading through the thread, i have to read AJ's reply three times .

This one made me laugh

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Permalink Reply by A.J. The Canadian Guy on February 11, 2010 at 1:50am

I'm glad my state of decaffination amuses everyone lol

JESELLE DAYRIT said:

A.J. The Canadian Guy said:

Okay, first of all that picture cracks me up!!
Second of all, this is proof I should probably wait until I have my coffee before attempting to engage in intellectual discussions! I read what I wrote and I don't even get it! that's pretty bad...

I got confused reading through the thread, i have to read AJ's reply three times .

This one made me laugh

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Permalink Reply by JESELLE DAYRIT on February 15, 2010 at 2:19am

given the situation that i recently want to lash out on a person i was having a difficult conversation with, but chose not to, due to considerations of manners, ethics, reputation and presence of people i hold in high esteem, just made me entertain the idea that i did not have free will because of external forces. Nonetheless i felt thankful that it was only voluntary anger i tried to suppress and not voluntary hunger, went to the nearest fast food chain as fast as the tracks took me.

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Permalink Reply by wenZ on March 5, 2010 at 5:00pm

Free will raises the question whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions, decisions, or choices. Addressing this question requires understanding the relationship between freedom and cause, and determining whether the laws of nature are causally deterministic. The various philosophical positions taken differ on whether all events are determined or not — determinism versus indeterminism — and also on whether freedom can coexist with determinism or not — compatibilism versus incompatibilism. So, for instance, 'hard determinists' are incompatibilists who argue that the universe is deterministic, and that this makes free will impossible.

Metaphysical libertarians are also incompatibilists. They believe that free will exists and strict causal determinism is false. Their problem is to reconcile free will with chance or indeterminism, which threatens to make actions random.

The principle of free will has religious, ethical, and scientific implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity does not assert its power over individual will and choices. In ethics, it implies that individuals can be held morally accountable for their actions. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.

note: heehehehehe kahit may Free Will tayo, either you choose right or left heheheheh God Advocate as to choose the right one hehehehehe it because dun tayo mapapabuti. For example: hehehehe

sabi ng nanay mo : anak the iron is hot dont touch it. mapapaso ka hehehehe

matigas na ulo na anak: hehehehehe nay subok lang ...aray! ang init! hehehehehe

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