PANLILIO + PADACA TANDEM!!!

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Permalink Reply by Francis on March 22, 2009 at 6:58pm

When i first read the news at www.abs-cbnnews.com (my source of fresh daily news from pinas), i began to day dream, imagine a president with a clean concience, free from influence of "TRAPO's" and greedy friends, backed by a strong woman with nothing in mind but reform in politics and the society. Imagine a "CLEAN" Malacañang Palace!!

Then I say to my self, "Why not!!".

BUT, can they run the government that is already poluted with corrupt politicians and general corrupted by these politicians?? Maybe they can, if we, the people are willing to help them.

Hope I'm not sounding like already endorsing them, hehe!!

Well, I'm not. Just sharing my thought. So share yours!!

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on March 22, 2009 at 6:59pm

They are both good but the reality is that they can't win.

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Permalink Reply by Francis on March 22, 2009 at 7:16pm

Yes, thay may not be winable, for now.

But if you carefully examine the backgrounds of these aspiring presidentiables, i dont see any of them qualified for running the country, i think most of them are quilified for RUINING the country, hehe!!

Most of these aspiring presidentiables have only one thing in mind!! P.O.W.E.R. and M.O.N.E.Y. on their pockets!! And I'm talking about our money, the Filipino peoples money

Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

They are both good but the reality is that they can't win.

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on March 22, 2009 at 7:28pm

I did not mean that they are not qualified...they more qualified than the other presidentiables around and they have integrity; but they don't have the money and political machinery to win and that is the sad reality in this country.

Francis said:

Yes, thay may not be winable, for now.

But if you carefully examine the backgrounds of these aspiring presidentiables, i dont see any of them qualified for running the country, i think most of them are quilified for RUINING the country, hehe!!

Most of these aspiring presidentiables have only one thing in mind!! P.O.W.E.R. and M.O.N.E.Y. on their pockets!! And I'm talking about our money, the Filipino peoples money

Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

They are both good but the reality is that they can't win.

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Permalink Reply by Francis on March 23, 2009 at 3:44pm

yes i agree to that, plus the fact that most of the voters do not vote for qualification & honesty of the candidate but for popularity & influence

Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

I did not mean that they are not qualified...they more qualified than the other presidentiables around and they have integrity; but they don't have the money and political machinery to win and that is the sad reality in this country.

Francis said:

Yes, thay may not be winable, for now.

But if you carefully examine the backgrounds of these aspiring presidentiables, i dont see any of them qualified for running the country, i think most of them are quilified for RUINING the country, hehe!!

Most of these aspiring presidentiables have only one thing in mind!! P.O.W.E.R. and M.O.N.E.Y. on their pockets!! And I'm talking about our money, the Filipino peoples money

Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

They are both good but the reality is that they can't win.

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Permalink Reply by elise eclar on March 23, 2009 at 9:18pm

GO! Seemingly impossible dreams sometimes can be realized. That will be the day I can sleep soundly. That will be the day my nightly prayers have been answered. There must be some good Filipinos who are still alive. For those who have sinned and are willing to reform, why not? We are left behind and second to the last in Asia (Bangladesh being poorest) and we are still rich in natural resources. Our people are a great resource of great minds. This nation must become great again. WE WILL SUPPORT!

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Permalink Reply by JESELLE DAYRIT on March 27, 2009 at 9:05pm

nothing is impossible....what the mind can conceive, we can achieve i have no idea who they are i've been out of this world lately

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Permalink Reply by Francis on April 11, 2009 at 8:49am

i agree with you, filipinos definitely can sleep soundly when honest people like them will lead this country!! I know there are a lot of pinoy out there that are as good as them but are anxious to come out because of our culture of supporting the famous and rich trapos instead of those capable & sincere servants, but the tide is changing - i hope so - with them elected on high government post, maybe, many voters will follow what thier constituents did.

elise eclar said:

GO! Seemingly impossible dreams sometimes can be realized. That will be the day I can sleep soundly. That will be the day my nightly prayers have been answered. There must be some good Filipinos who are still alive. For those who have sinned and are willing to reform, why not? We are left behind and second to the last in Asia (Bangladesh being poorest) and we are still rich in natural resources. Our people are a great resource of great minds. This nation must become great again. WE WILL SUPPORT!

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Permalink Reply by Francis on April 11, 2009 at 9:01am

Among Ed Panlilio, as what his constituents called him, is the current governor of Pampanga, defeating political heavy weights of the province including, Pineda and THE PRESIDENT's son Mickey Arroyo, and priest-on-leave. He's currently doing extensive reform in Pampanga to eliminate corruption which irks the TRAPOS that are now excerting too much efort to unseat him.

Grace Padaca, a former broadcaster likewise beats the political heavy weight of Isabela to become governor, defeated the Dy dynasty for that position. She's also doing political reform in the province.

JELLE said:

nothing is impossible....what the mind can conceive, we can achieve i have no idea who they are i've been out of this world lately

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on April 11, 2009 at 11:15am

Among Ed may be qualified and competent to be President but in doing so, he is violating the laws of his own church...if you cannot follow your own God's law, how can you be expected to follow the laws of man?

It is a reflection of a person's moral principal, not a question of competence.

Here is the excerpt from the Position Paper on:

THE EXTENT AND LIMITS OF THE PARTICIPATION
OF PRIESTS IN POLITICS

by the

Canon Law Society of the Philippines


1. PARTICIPATION OF CLERICS IN POLITICS ACCORDING TO
THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE CHURCH

a. In the Code of Canon Law

There are two provisions of the 1983 Code of Canon Law that forbid participation by clerics in certain types of political activity:

Can. 285, §3: Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices, which entail participation in the exercise of civil power.
This provision of the Codex means that priests cannot assume public offices, which entail the exercise of legislative, administrative and judicial authority.

Can. 287, §2: Clerics are not to have an active role in political parties and in the direc-tion of labor unions unless the need to protect the rights of the Church or to promote the common good requires it in the judgment of the competent ecclesiastical authority.
This means that priests cannot engage in partisan political activity unless in a particular case “this is truly required by the good of the community, and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”

Permanent deacons, even though they are clerics, do not fall under these prohi-bitions but these apply also to members of religious orders (c.672) and to members of societies of apostolic life (c.739).

b. In the Magisterium of John Paul II

These canonical prohibitions to priests and bishops are in line with the pro-nouncements of Pope John Paul II. To a gathering of religious-order priests in Mexico City in January 1979, he said: “You are not social directors, political leaders or func-tionaries of temporal power… Let us not be under the illusion that we are serving the Gospel if we ‘dilute’ our charism through an exaggerated interest in the wide field of temporal problems” (AAS 71, 1979, p.193). He repeated these very same words during his first Mass in Manila on February 17, 1981.
In Zaire, he exhorted priests in similar terms: “Leave political responsibilities to those who are charged with them. You have another part, a magnificent part; you are “leaders” by another right and in another manner, participating in the priesthood of Christ, as his ministers. Your sphere of interventions, and it is vast, is that of faith and morals, where it is expected that you preach at the same time by a courageous word and by the example of your life.”

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Permalink Reply by Francis on April 11, 2009 at 11:49am

It's not my intension to engage in a political debate, but it's healthy conversation with my dear MP friend

I excerpt from your reply:

THE EXTENT AND LIMITS OF THE PARTICIPATION
OF PRIESTS IN POLITICS

by the

Canon Law Society of the Philippines


Can. 287, §2: Clerics are not to have an active role in political parties and in the direc-tion of labor unions unless the need to protect the rights of the Church or to promote the common good requires it in the judgment of the competent ecclesiastical authority.
This means that priests cannot engage in partisan political activity unless in a particular case “this is truly required by the good of the community, and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”

I highlighted those 3 particular items above. I believe Gov Panlilio chose to serve the people of Pampanga not to engage into political circus but to serve with sincere honesty, because he have seen enough of the corruption and only him at that moment can beat those TRAPOS. Father Panlilio's leadership is truly required by the good of the community and the circumstances really call for his service.

Time is changing, what's not applicable then maybe necessary now, and our dear country is badly in need of real leaders. Leaders that are not greedy and corrupt, leaders that does not owe any one except the voting people. Gov Panlilio proved that any ordinary citizen that are willing to go against the tide of our political system can suceed, same thing with Gov. Padaca of Isabela & Gov. Umali of Nueva Ecija when they beat the heavy weights and dynasty in their respective province. With their victory, maybe and hopefully, more people like them would come out on 2010 to wipe out these TRAPO's


Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

Among Ed may be qualified and competent to be President but in doing so, he is violating the laws of his own church...if you cannot follow your own God's law, how can you be expected to follow the laws of man?

It is a reflection of a person's moral principal, not a question of competence.

Here is the excerpt from the Position Paper on:

THE EXTENT AND LIMITS OF THE PARTICIPATION
OF PRIESTS IN POLITICS

by the

Canon Law Society of the Philippines


1. PARTICIPATION OF CLERICS IN POLITICS ACCORDING TO
THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE CHURCH

a. In the Code of Canon Law

There are two provisions of the 1983 Code of Canon Law that forbid participation by clerics in certain types of political activity:

Can. 285, §3: Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices, which entail participation in the exercise of civil power.
This provision of the Codex means that priests cannot assume public offices, which entail the exercise of legislative, administrative and judicial authority.

Can. 287, §2: Clerics are not to have an active role in political parties and in the direc-tion of labor unions unless the need to protect the rights of the Church or to promote the common good requires it in the judgment of the competent ecclesiastical authority.
This means that priests cannot engage in partisan political activity unless in a particular case “this is truly required by the good of the community, and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”

Permanent deacons, even though they are clerics, do not fall under these prohi-bitions but these apply also to members of religious orders (c.672) and to members of societies of apostolic life (c.739).

b. In the Magisterium of John Paul II

These canonical prohibitions to priests and bishops are in line with the pro-nouncements of Pope John Paul II. To a gathering of religious-order priests in Mexico City in January 1979, he said: “You are not social directors, political leaders or func-tionaries of temporal power… Let us not be under the illusion that we are serving the Gospel if we ‘dilute’ our charism through an exaggerated interest in the wide field of temporal problems” (AAS 71, 1979, p.193). He repeated these very same words during his first Mass in Manila on February 17, 1981.
In Zaire, he exhorted priests in similar terms: “Leave political responsibilities to those who are charged with them. You have another part, a magnificent part; you are “leaders” by another right and in another manner, participating in the priesthood of Christ, as his ministers. Your sphere of interventions, and it is vast, is that of faith and morals, where it is expected that you preach at the same time by a courageous word and by the example of your life.”

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Permalink Reply by Candy Diazes on April 11, 2009 at 12:18pm

Point well taken; but Father Panlilio still is in violation of Canon Law.

You also forgot to highlight this passage: and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”
There was no consent, approval or consultation

If you cannot obey the laws of your church and god, will you obey the laws of your government?


Francis said:

It's not my intension to engage in a political debate, but it's healthy conversation with my dear MP friend

I excerpt from your reply:

THE EXTENT AND LIMITS OF THE PARTICIPATION
OF PRIESTS IN POLITICS

by the

Canon Law Society of the Philippines


Can. 287, §2: Clerics are not to have an active role in political parties and in the direc-tion of labor unions unless the need to protect the rights of the Church or to promote the common good requires it in the judgment of the competent ecclesiastical authority.
This means that priests cannot engage in partisan political activity unless in a particular case “this is truly required by the good of the community, and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”

I highlighted those 3 particular items above. I believe Gov Panlilio chose to serve the people of Pampanga not to engage into political circus but to serve with sincere honesty, because he have seen enough of the corruption and only him at that moment can beat those TRAPOS. Father Panlilio's leadership is truly required by the good of the community and the circumstances really call for his service.

Time is changing, what's not applicable then maybe necessary now, and our dear country is badly in need of real leaders. Leaders that are not greedy and corrupt, leaders that does not owe any one except the voting people. Gov Panlilio proved that any ordinary citizen that are willing to go against the tide of our political system can suceed, same thing with Gov. Padaca of Isabela & Gov. Umali of Nueva Ecija when they beat the heavy weights and dynasty in their respective province. With their victory, maybe and hopefully, more people like them would come out on 2010 to wipe out these TRAPO's


Tang Nang Yan aka CD said:

Among Ed may be qualified and competent to be President but in doing so, he is violating the laws of his own church...if you cannot follow your own God's law, how can you be expected to follow the laws of man?

It is a reflection of a person's moral principal, not a question of competence.

Here is the excerpt from the Position Paper on:

THE EXTENT AND LIMITS OF THE PARTICIPATION
OF PRIESTS IN POLITICS

by the

Canon Law Society of the Philippines


1. PARTICIPATION OF CLERICS IN POLITICS ACCORDING TO
THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE CHURCH

a. In the Code of Canon Law

There are two provisions of the 1983 Code of Canon Law that forbid participation by clerics in certain types of political activity:

Can. 285, §3: Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices, which entail participation in the exercise of civil power.
This provision of the Codex means that priests cannot assume public offices, which entail the exercise of legislative, administrative and judicial authority.

Can. 287, §2: Clerics are not to have an active role in political parties and in the direc-tion of labor unions unless the need to protect the rights of the Church or to promote the common good requires it in the judgment of the competent ecclesiastical authority.
This means that priests cannot engage in partisan political activity unless in a particular case “this is truly required by the good of the community, and receives the consent of the bishop after consultation with the priests’ council and, if circumstances call for it, with the episcopal conference.”

Permanent deacons, even though they are clerics, do not fall under these prohi-bitions but these apply also to members of religious orders (c.672) and to members of societies of apostolic life (c.739).

b. In the Magisterium of John Paul II

These canonical prohibitions to priests and bishops are in line with the pro-nouncements of Pope John Paul II. To a gathering of religious-order priests in Mexico City in January 1979, he said: “You are not social directors, political leaders or func-tionaries of temporal power… Let us not be under the illusion that we are serving the Gospel if we ‘dilute’ our charism through an exaggerated interest in the wide field of temporal problems” (AAS 71, 1979, p.193). He repeated these very same words during his first Mass in Manila on February 17, 1981.
In Zaire, he exhorted priests in similar terms: “Leave political responsibilities to those who are charged with them. You have another part, a magnificent part; you are “leaders” by another right and in another manner, participating in the priesthood of Christ, as his ministers. Your sphere of interventions, and it is vast, is that of faith and morals, where it is expected that you preach at the same time by a courageous word and by the example of your life.”

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